anyways here's the back and forth between me and the sort-of hipster The Lawn loves to hate...
since breihan called out the lawn--the justus league message board--heres what some on the lawn think of him.
bsidewinzagain.com
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at May 3, 2006 06:58 PM
Posted by: Tom Breihan at May 3, 2006 08:41 PM
I never said anything about hipsters being cool. In fact the point of that rant was that hipsters are not all that cool. I think that they adopt what they think other people perceive to be cool and make it work with their cooler-than-me lifestyle. Whether you fall into that category or not was not the point. Rather, I think some of your tastes and opinions seem to resemble those of hipsters who perpetrate that they are from Brooklyn. But you do offer an interesting perspective and whether I disagree or not you are making a lot of the nerd rap kids angry. So you must be doing something right. As far as the lack of material on my blog, like any good nerdy rap fan I I spend most of my time ranting on a hip hop message board, the Lawn.
Posted by: bsidewinzagain at May 3, 2006 10:10 PM
For the record: Tom Breihan is no hipster.
Posted by: Will Dukes at May 4, 2006 03:19 AM
Well done Bside. You cut to the heart of it like a champ. Dilla doesn't suck. Weezy doesn't suck. Common doesn't suck. Jeezy doesn't suck. "Hipsters who perpetrate like they're from Brooklyn" do. Unfortunately, as you've conceded, this doesn't include Tom. Still that's a pretty sweet anti-"hipsters who perpetrate like they're from Brooklyn" blog you've got going. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: prm9681 at May 4, 2006 09:27 AM
Dan Higgs is a monster, yeah. He's coming to town to do a couple of solo improv jews-harp shows later in the month, and it'll probably be terrible, but I'm still pretty amped.
Glad nobody's calling me a hipster. That would be so embarrassing. I wouldn't be able to leave the house. I kinda like your anti-hipster/anti-me rant, Bside, but I don't think Dilla was overrated. That was the point of the thing, admitting that I'd always dismissed him out of hand and only realized what I was missing when he died and I actually bothered to sit down and listen to a bunch of his stuff straight through. He couldn't rap, though.
The Mountain Goats are really fucking great. You might like them.
Posted by: Tom Breihan at May 4, 2006 12:26 PM
Maybe I would like the Mountain Goats. I'll peep. But how can you love 3-6 and then say that Dilla can't rhyme? If you love those dudes then you certainly appreciate that personality goes a long way. You can't love "Slob on my Knob" because of the lyrical acrobatics that those dudes display. The point is that neither dilla nor 3-6 are great rappers, but they have personality, and that means a lot. Underground rap kids always underate personality, not realizing its the key. Jay-Z is better than Nas because of personality, not lyrical prowess--in that category its a toss up (or maybe goes to Nas). Obviously you get that--so how can you dismiss Dilla's rapping because his rhymes aren't the greatest?
2 comments:
"how can you dismiss Dilla's rapping because his rhymes aren't the greatest?"
Okay. I think I get it. According to you at least, rapping is making rhythmic sound - any sound - with your mouth, while rhymes are what you are actually saying. So by that definition, members of the jibberish crew can still be taken seriously as rappers. Is that it?
Otherwise, the above quote seems to contradict itself.
i'm not really following you.
the point is this. you don't have to be technically the greatest rapper to be impactful and make a statement. see too short, phife, or j dilla for starters. none of these guys are technically that good. rhymes are fairly simple. but personality goes a hellof a long way.
thats all im trying to say.
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